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thanks for watching "state of the union." i'm candy crowley in washington. be sure to watch us each week at this time or set your dvr. fareed zakaria "gps" tarts right now. this is "gps" the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. today, a special edition of "gps" with two of the world's most powerful men. first up, a global exclusive, india's new prime minister narendra modi in his first interview anywhere since taking office. he leads 1.24 people, almost a fifth of humanity, and has a mandate for change.
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the real question is, can india become the next china? i'll ask him. then the 42nd president of the united states of america, bill clinton. despite almost 14 years out of office, he still wields enormous influence in the united states and around the world. i will ask him about isis, russia, and i'll ask him whether he's looking forward to another stint at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. we're trimming back everything else on the show to give the stage to these two leaders. so let's get started. >> when i think about what trends could reshape the world in the next decade or, two one stands out. if india were to industrialize at the pace china did over the
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last few decades it would be seismic. china has gone from roughly 2% of global gdp to 16% in three decades according to the imf. if india performed the same feat, global economics, politics and culture would be transformed. but can it? there's huge potential. india has a long way to climb, its populous with a young vibrant population and its private sector is extraordinary. but because of its overregulated state that strangles growth, india's promise has faltered in recent years. india and china were roughly similar sized economies in the 1980s by imf estimates. as late as 1990 and '91, india is shown to have had a slightly higher per capita income in purchasing power parity than china. today china is 2.5 times the size of india on that measure and it is still growing faster
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than india. india does poorly on most measures of global competitiveness. it is 71st in the world economic forum's report compared with china's 28. it is 134th in the world bank's doing business report compared with china's 96th. of course that means there's room to improve and now the whole country has braced its faith in one man, hoping he can change things. that ren doctnarendra modi, ind minister, radiates confidence. he has the first majority government in parliament in 30 years. the indian public lauds him, world leaders support him and the bombay stock exchange continues to soar. it's one of the world's top performers this year. but will this moment of euphoria translate into lasting gains? will modi be able to make india the next china? i had a chance to put these questions to modi when i met with him last weekend at his
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official residence in new delhi, his first interview since becoming prime minister. prime minister, thank you so much for doing this. >> translator: thank you. >> after your election, people have begun asking again a question that has been asked many times for the last two decades which is will india be the next china? will india be able to grow at 8%, 9% a year consistently and transform itself and thus transform the world? >> translator: india does not need to become anything else. india must become only india. this is a country that once upon a time was called "the golden bird." we have fallen from where we were before, but now we have a chance to rise again. if you see the details of the last five or seine centuries, you will see that india and
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china have grown at similar paces. their contributions to global gdp have risen in parallel and fallen in parallel. today's era once again belongs to asia. india and china are both growing rapid rapidly. >> but people would still, i think, wonder can india achieve the 8% and 9% growth rates that china has done consistently for 30 years and india has only done for a short period? >> translator: it is my absolute belief that indian have unlimited talent. i have no doubt about our capabilities. i have a lot of faith in the entrepreneurial nature of our $1.
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1.25 billion people. there is a lot of capability and i have a clear road map to channel it. >> china's behavior in the east china seas and the south china seas over the last two years has worried many of its neighbors. the head of the government in the philippines and vietnam have made very sharp statements worrying about it. do you worry about it? >> translator: india is different. it is a country of $1 1.25 bill people. we can't run our country if we get worried about every small thing. at the same time, we can't close our eyes to problems. we're not living in the 18th century. this is an era of partnership.
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everyone will have to seek and extend help mutually. china is also a country with an ancient cultural heritage. look at how they're focused on economic development. it's hardly the sign of a country that wants to be isolated. we should have trust in china's understanding and have faith that it would accept global laws and will play its role in cooperating and moving forward. >> do you look at china and feel that it has been able to develop as fast as it has? really the fastest development in human history because it is an thor turn a government? because the government has the power to build great infrastructure, to create incentives for investment. do you look at that and think to yourself that that would be -- that there is a price to
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democracy that you have to do things a little bit more slowly? >> translator: if china is one example then democratic countries provide another example. they have also grown fast. you can't say that growth is not possible because of democracy. democracy is our commitment. it is our great legacy, a legacy we simply cannot compromise democracy is in our dna. >> so you don't look at the power of the chinese government and wish you had some of that authority? >> i. >> translator: i've seen the strength of democracy. a child born in a poor family, this is the strength of democracy. from the strength of democracy to the strength or weakness of the crucial relationship between the united
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states and india. mr. modi goes to the without next week. this after he was actually banned from even stepping on u.s. soil for many years. how does he see relations between two nations? i'll ask him about india's record of terrible crimes against women. the prime minister will tell me what his government intends to do about it. ld, for every hacker, crook and nuisance in the world. but systems policed by hp's cyber security team are constantly monitored for threats. outside and in. that's why hp reports and helps neutralize more intrusions than anyone... in the world. if hp security solutions can help keep the world's largest organizations safe, they can keep yours safe, too. make it matter.
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trip to the white house, warmly welcomed by the obama administration. that was quite a turnaround from the man placed on a blacklist by the george w. bush administration in 2005 and for many years denied a visa to enter the united states. that stems from an incident in the 2002 when he was chief minister of india's state of gujarat. he was criticized for filing to quell riots that according to a u.s. government report killed more than 1,200 people, the majority of the dead were muslim, modi is hindu. modi has been exonerated three times by india's supreme court notes the "new york times." the obama administration reversed the ban and has been courting modi actively. has modi any qualms about warmer ties with the united states? i asked him. there are many people in the united states and some in india who wish that the united states and india were much closer allies. the world's oldest democracy, the world's biggest democracy.
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but somehow that has never happened and there has always been these frictions and difficulties. do you think it is possible for the united states and india to develop a genuinely strategic alliance? >> translator: i have a one-word answer -- yes. and with great confidence i say yes. let me explain. there are many similarities between india and america. if you look at the last few centuries, two things come to light. america has absorbed people from around the world and there is an indian in every part of the world. this characterizes both the societies, indians and americans have co-existence in their natural temperament. now, yes, for sure there have been ups and downs in our
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relationship in the last century, but from the end of the 20th century to the first decade of the 21st century, we have witnessed a big change our ties have deepened. india and the united states of plerk bound together by history and by culture. these styles will deepen further. >> so far in your contacts with the obama administration -- you've had several cabinet members come here -- do you feel there is a genuine desire from washington to try to upgrade the relationship with india substantially? >> relations between india and america should not be seen within the limits of just delhi and washington. it's a much larger sphere. the good thing is that the mood of both delhi and washington is in harmony with this
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understanding. both sides have played a role in this. >> with regard to russia's actions in ukraine, india has not been particularly active. do you -- how do you view russia's annexation of the crimea? >> translator: firstly, whatever happened there, innocent people died in a plane accident. that's a very sad thing. these are not good things for humanity in this age. there's a saying in india that the person who should throw a stone first is the person who has not committed any sins. in the world right now, a lot of people want to give advice, but look within them and they too have sinned in some way. ultimately, india's view point is that effort needs to be made
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to sit together and talk and to resolve problems in an ongoing process. >> one of the areas that india has compton the world scene or people have read about and heard about it which has been unfortunate has been violence against women, this issue of rain. why is it you think that there is this problem of, it seems, persistent discrimination and violence against women in india and what do you think can be done about it? >> translator: look, us political pundits shouldn't tangle ourselves up in knots by searching for the root cause of this problem. more damage is done by statements from political pundits. dignity of women is our collective responsibility. there should be no compromise in this matter.
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there should be no erosion there n the law and order situation. we have to restrive family culture in which a woman is respected and considered equal, her dignity encouraged. the main thing here is girl/child education. by doing so, the possibility of empowerment will increase. on august 15 my government pushed ahead a movement called "educate the girl, save the girl." next on gps, the head of al qaeda says he's opening a on from chiez in india. what does prime minister modi have to say about that? i will ask him. also, when you lead 1.5 billion people, the pressure mounts, how does narendra modi relax? we'll find out when we come back. a mouth breather!
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organization was going to open a new branch in india. india's muslims are a minority, just over 13% of the population versus more than 80% of the population that is hindu. and thus far the cause of jihad amongst that muslim minority in india hasn't taken off at all. certainly not as it has across the border in pakistan. at a time when terror is atop the headlines, i wanted to get mr. modi's thoughts on al qaeda's plans for his country. ayman al zawahiri, the head of al qaeda, has issued a video appeal trying to create an al qaeda in india, south asia, he says, but the message was really directed towards india and he says he wants to free muslims from the oppression they face in gujarat, and kashmir. do you worry something like this could succeed? >> translator: my understanding is that they're doing injustice towards the muslims of our
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country. if anyone thinks indian muslims will dance to their tune, they are delusional. indian muslims will live for india, they will die for india, they will not want anything bad for india. >> why do you think it is that there is this remarkable phenomenon that you have 170 million muslims and they seem to be almost no or very few members of al qaeda even though al qaeda is in afghanistan and, of course, there are many in pakistan. what is it that has made this community not as susceptible? >> translator: firstly, i'm not the authority for doing a psychological and religious analysis on this but if question is whether or not humanity should be defended in the world
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whether or not believers in humanity should unite. this is a crisis against humanity, not a crisis against one country or one race you have to frame this as a fight between humanity and ininhumanity, nothing else. >> a year or two from now what would you like people to say that these are the things narendra modi has managed to accomplish in terms of actions in office? >> translator: see, the biggest something that the people of the country have faith. that trust should never break if i can win the confidence from the people of india not from my speeches but by actions then the power of 1.25 billion indians will come together to take the country forward. >> one final question. how do you relax?
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what do you enjoy doing when you're not working? >> translator: i'm not the "not working" type. i derive pleasure from my work. work gives me relaxation, too. every moment i'm thinking of something new, making a new plan, new ways to work. in the same way that a scientist draws pleasure from long hours in the laboratory, i draw pleasure is n governments, in doing new things and bringing people together. that pleasure is sufficient for me. >> do you meditate? do you do yoga? >> unfortunate that i was introduced to the world of yoga -- i'm fortunate that i was introduced to the world of yoga, i advise everyone to make this a part of their lives. >> you give a long speech about the benefits of yoga, explain what you see them as. >> translator: sometimes we
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notice our mind works on one thing, the body on another. and time brings us in conflict yoga synchronizes the mind and body. that is yoga. and that was narendra modi, the new prime minister of india in his first interview in office. coming up next, a wide ranging interview with the former president of the united states, bill clinton, on the president's plan to defeat isis, russia's relations with the west,ened much more when we come back. my foot was destroyed when my vehicle was hit by an ied. i lost my right eye; damaged my left eye. so many of these men and women have, have sacrificed so much.
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will hold its 10th annual meeting next week. the organization claims over the last ten years they have improved the lives of 430 million people in 180 countries. he's also said to soon become a grandfather. we'll get to all of those matters later in the show, but first i wanted to ask him about the stories that are atop the news. president clinton thank you so much for joining us. >> glad to do it. >> i have to ask you about isis. i saw you on the "daily show" saying you thought we had to respond to the brutal executions of americans but i want to press you, isn't that what isis wants? wasn't the purpose of the executions to bait us? >> no. but there's a difference in, for example, using targeted drones and air strikes as we did against al qaeda effectively
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through years to try to take down their leadership and infrastructure and let them know they can't just decapitate people for the chief thrill of the global media response and horrifying people and get away with it and getting bogged down in the kind of war they would like us to get bogged down in that cost us a lot of lives and a lot of pressure and inevitably lead to greater casualties. which is why i think the president's strategy has a chance of succeeding because the iraqi government is now more inclusive than it has been since the fall of saddam hussein, and that seems to be awakening, if you will, the willingness of the sunni tribal leaders to participate in fighting. we know the kurds and the peshmerga are willing to fight. if we can help them and support them, i think the larger fight against isis can continue as it should, as a local struggle for the freedom and liberty of the
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people. >> you talked about the iraq part of the strategy which strikes me as, you're right, it's viable because an iraqi army could be better -- made more effective if they were fewer loyalists and more professional officers and more inclusive. the syria part is the real puzzle. >> much harder. >> because, you know, this is fierce civil war and the stakes are very high, the turks have been trying to stand up moderate syrians for a long time. how do you think we combat this? >> well, i support giving the forces that we most closely identify with greater capacity to fight isis. the whole question about the syrian government is really academic between the iranians and russians and others. they'll give them enough money and military capacity to do what they have to do. >> do you think assad is going
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to stay? >> i don't know. but i think the worst enemy right now is isis and i don't think we should be in a position directly coordinating with or cooperating with assad but i think we all recognize what would happen if isis had like a monster like state that included most of syria and iraq and -- but i don't -- i think therefore that when the president said we'd cooperate with the moderate syrian forces, they're the only people we have to try to empower them to do their part in this struggle. >> do you agree with the former secretary of state who said that perhaps if we had helped them three years earlier it might have helped or would those funds and arms have ended up with isis. >> i agree with her and i would have taken the chance and i also agree with her when she says we
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can't know and that's when you have to be careful when you make these commitments because you can't know. but since isis has plenty of money, is one of the great bank robbers in human history, among other things they were going to get their weapons one way or the other so i would risk it. besides when we were talking about doing it, there was no isis. however, it was an argument she lost in the administration and she admitted then and acknowledged in her book that she can't know that if her recommendation had been followed it would work. that's one of the things you can't know. that's when these decisions are hard. next on j.t. gps" much more with bill clinton, russia, ukraine and the west and much more. there's a reason no one says
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back now on this special edition of "gps." more of my interview with bill clinton. >> ukrainian officials, high ukrainian officials have said that russia in effect invaded ukraine over the last month. that somewhere between 3,000 and 10,000 russian soldiers crossed the border. do you think we should call this an invasion and act in a way, in a sense, appropriately? >> there's no question they invaded ukraine. and there's no question of what mr. putin is trying to do. they've done all those things. but i think ukraine elected a very prudent and strong president, he's trying to negotiate an end to this that enables them to have a relationship with russia without paralyzing their ties to europe and their attempts to weaken the
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economic -- reap the economic and political benefits that would entail. i think the united states should support building ukraine's capacity to defend itself but more importantly we should be doing what we can, including things like our global initiative to help them succeed economically, to reward their choice to be free and independent. i think it's very important that the world not buy the propaganda that is going over the russian media that ukrainians wanted to have an adversarial relationship with russia. that's simply not true. all they wanted to do was to have a good relationship with russia and a good relationship with europe and the west and be a bridge between the two. why he doesn't want that remains something of a mystery to me. i mean, i think he's gotten a outdated view of how to get more influence and accumulate more wealth. but the -- he's in these negotiations now and i think those of us who are outside it should not complicate it by
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saying too much until he can negotiate. >> a lot of russians, including mr. putin, blame you in a sense. they say nato expanded, we were told nato wouldn't expand and they expanded very close to our borders, then the clinton administration intervened in kosovo over our objections so they argue you pushed us and now don't be surprised at the backlash. >> if you can find one polish citizen who agrees i'll be glad to take that seriously. i mean, look, first of all, i never told them nato wouldn't expand. i ran for president advocating the expax nsion of nato in 1992 and i had a conversation with boris yeltsin who i respect very much and i said look, i don't think you're going to invade eastern europe but you're not going to be there forever. president yeltsin in return for ukraine getting rid of all of its nuclear weapons and sending them the russia signed an
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agreement with me and the then president of ukraine saying russia would also respect ukraine's territory integrity. president putin said it was an agreement not a treaty therefore i'm not bound by it. i think it's a long rap that expanding nato caused all this. that -- you made me invade georgia and you made me invade yk because they were the only two countries on my border? come on, it's just -- it's not a credible thing. >> coming up in a moment. more bill clinton. if hillary clinton were to run and win, what would life be like as the first man? i'll ask him to consider. keeping a billion customers a year flying, means keeping seven billion transactions flowing. and when weather hits, it's data mayhem. but airlines running hp end-to-end solutions are always calm during a storm. so if your business deals with the unexpected, hp big data and cloud solutions
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welcome back to gps, here is more of my interview with bill clinton. president of the united states and founder of the clinton foundation. one of the foundation's major products is the initiative to bring together world leaders to work on the world's most
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pressing problems. >> let me start with something that affects the clinton foundation and the clinton global initiation. what lesson do you think we should draw from this outbreak of ebola and the speed and kind of pace with which it has spread? when you look at it, what do you think it tells us about maybe the potential for pandemics or anything? >> well, first, like everybody else who is involved, we have a big presence in liberia and the top three people in the state to help organize the response so we all have to figure out how to coordinate it better. we're going to have a special meeting at cgi. but the lessons are two-fold. one is we have to do a much
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better job of helping building the infrastructure in these countries. they have to increase their capacity to have health care workers to go out into the villages and have credibility of the people. the tragic stories of the health workers being killed in guinea is terrible. but if we have more capacity, we can deal with it quicker. so that is the first thing. the second thing is we're going to have to get quicker and nimbler at developing bio-medical responses, the vaccines or whatever, or cures. and the third thing is the wealthy countries have got to reexamine how we fund the world health organization because i they do a marvelous job. but as increasingly as
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development gets more expertise in given areas, they want to fund specific projects in certain countries and it is clear that the world health organization needs a pot of money that can be held for emergencies when we wait for e theinefible when america and england and scandinavian and others can pitch it. >> are you going to continue to fund? >> it depends. i think the coke brothers are going to spend $300 million and it depends on who turns out. we have to convince the people to vote in presidential elections for our side. they have to vote in the congressional elections and if they don't they can't complain
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when they lose members of congress from the senate up in the year. we have a lot more senators up and more than when president obama ran, and this seem to be doing well. but if you look at the polls, which are all over the place, they are all accurate. that is the real question in polling today is the sample you pick based on who you think will vote and the answer to that is no one knows. so if we can get our turn-out up, we'll be find and they'll hold the senator. >> along those lines, when i talk to democratic grassroots advocates, one person who is important is nancy nashs. >> i think the democrats are worried about people having an
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equal shot at prosperity. and when i was president, i told you before, the thing i was most proud of we moved as many low income as president reagan. the bought come increased 20% and the top percent increased 29% and everybody else did better than in the reagan years. you have to have more broad based prosperity. so anybody arguing for that will find a receptive ear in the american election. not just among democrats. we are going to have a vote in my native state of arkansas on raising the minimum wage and i'll be surprised if we don't get a majority of republicans to vote for even though their politicians are against it. >> there are certain circumstances in the next presidential election that might produce an unusual outcome, and
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i'm wondering have you given any thought to what it would be like to be back in the white house in a different role? >> no. no, i haven't. i think that in general if you are a spouse, you out to support. if you are a former president, you out to do whatever the current president tells you to do. and i've poured my heart into it. this is our tenth annual global initiative. we've raised $80 billion and helped 100 million people plus in 180 countries. it is my life now. and i do politics at election time if they want me, for people i believe in and i think i can help. otherwise i'm happy doing what i'm doing and if i were asked to do that, i would be happy as a
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clam to do that too. >> and do you have any specific thoughts to be a grandfather? >> yeah, i can't wait. and we're on watch now. i hope by the first of october, i'll be a grandfather. >> do you care if it is a boy or a girl? >> no. and i don't know. >> do you really not know? >> no, no. my daughter and son-in-law decided not to know. they want to be surprised. so we are all just sitting around waiting. >> mr. president, we usually have an end segment where i recommend a book of the week. we're blowing it all out for you, so i'm giving you the last word, so what book would you recommend, you are a voracious reader, what would you recommend? >> if you'll give me two. first i would like people to read abundance, peter mand.
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and if they see while the headlines are bad, the trendlines are good. extreme poverty is down and health care is improving around the world. there are developments now which make me believe we might be able to do what we did in the '90s which is to use technology to create more jobs than we lose. for the last few months, for the first time in literally more than a decade, 40% of the jobs are in higher wage categories. i think people should read this and get some ideas. and the other book is the social conquest of earth. by edward wilson. he is a microbiologist and he writes about the history of life on earth from single cell organisms to the present day. the reason i would like them to read that, is that he said if you look at all of the species who have lived on the planet
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earth, the most important are ants, and people. i saw how there are 25,000 species of spiders and they build better webs. cooperation will save the future and americans should lead it. every time humanity has been in danger of extinguishing itself, our consciousness and our con science has let us come together. that is the great fight of the next 25 years. >> so congress should learn from spiders? >> i spent a lot of time with spiders in my early life. i just think the constitution could be sub-titled let's make a deal. the founders understood it, we need to remember it. >> bill clinton, thank you, a
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pleasure to have you on mr. president. >> thank you. >> that is all we have time for in this special edition of gps. thank you to bill clinton and nomar ramoddy. i will see you next week. hello. topping our story this is hour. security is tight at the white house after another incident one day after a man jumped the white house fence entering the building. >> two incidents at the white house within 24 hours, raising serious questions about security. and residents are on edge in pennsylvania as hundreds of offers search for an accused cop killer, this is as police prepare to give an update on the hunt for the self-taught
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survivalist. >> and in new york, people are packing the streets for climate change march and it could be the largest of its kind. let's begin with the security incidents at the white house. the secret service said a young man tried to enter a barricaded entrance in his car before being stopped. and we learned more about the man on friday who jumped the fence and ran across the lawn and to the front door of the white house. he was carrying a knife and an iraq war veteran. erin mcpike is live in the white house and tom fuentes is in our washington bureau. what do we know about the two incidents and the two suspects in custody? >> reporter: it is the 42-year-old man from texas. he was on active dutyn

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